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Aug 9th 2010 1:35AM @Brt312 But rooting doesn't make Flash part of the Android experience?
Aug 9th 2010 12:51AM @stevelam No, Apple is not forcing anyone to switch. I agree. But the whole point in choice is that I can choose to view only non-flash sites if I want, and if I want to view a Flash site, I can. Do you block all Flash content on your desktop? If not, why not? Why not just wait for developers to achieve this natural progression you speak of? As an American with a phone contract, I get a new phone every two years. Even if they start now, I don't think every site I like will have switched to HTML5 by the time I'm due for a new phone. On the other hand, I think today's high end phones will be low end, meaning that support of Flash will not be as taxing as you seem to think. The iPhone 3G from 2 years ago is no longer a high end phone and it doesn't fully support the features of iOS 4. Out of curiosity, what phone do you have now and what did you have 2 years ago?
Aug 9th 2010 12:33AM @Blackyankees Yeah but it's a pre-1.0 version made by some guy. Wouldn't iPhone people rather have support? Don't you love the products you get when Apple puts their weight and name on it?
Aug 9th 2010 12:31AM @Brt312 You should go back and read what you wrote. That's all I'm going on.But the point is that Android has made the commitment to support Flash. It will reach the 90% of Eclair users once their devices has 2.2. Apple has taken the stance that users don't need Flash. The reality is that Flash has only been available for Android for a couple months. This is after Adobe and Google spent quite some time preparing it. I still don't get your beef with Flash.
Aug 8th 2010 8:42PM @Brt312 "Last time I checked you have to be rooted on android"I just checked. It's not a requirement if you're running Android 2.2. If what you meant was "you have to be rooted on a Motorola Droid", say so. But why should I assume that by "android", you mean the Motorola Droid 1 from last November.Learn the difference.
Aug 8th 2010 7:00PM @rysle "why not just wait until all web applications are re-written in it"Work isn't free. As a web developer, I've been paid quite a bit of money to develop even fairly primitive websites. If a company has built its entire infrastructure on Flash, and it works, why should they hire developers to rebuild their websites?When Flash was not an option for mobile OSes, I supported that argument, because it was the only way to get your existing rich Flash-enabled content to mobile devices. If Adobe is going to invest time and money into creating a version of Flash that works on Mobile OSes, with minor changes to your existing code, a company can pay the same team that developed their Flash content to make the modifications to make it work for mobile.I don't think this is an issue of Developers being lazy. It seems more like an issue of one company with huge influence (Apple) using its market share to force companies to invest money into their infrastructure in order to ensure that creators of web apps are paying attention to them. I understand that Apple would like everyone to redesign their websites for an optimal iPhone experience, but honestly, I'd rather see everything now and get an optimized experience when it fits into the budgets of the content creators. It seems better than see nothing and get an optimized experience when content creators can afford it.
Aug 8th 2010 6:47PM @Brt312 On Android, you don't have to be rooted, you just have to have Android 2.2. I take back the comment that "you don't have the right to complaint" as you obviously do. I just don't get many of the positions of the Anti-Flash camp or the you don't need Flash on your phone camp. Please try to explain it to me. Yes Desktop OSes are different from Mobile OSes, but when I'm viewing a website, I'm doing so because I want to see the content that the site is providing me. I use AdBlocker in my Firefox on my PC so I don't see Flash ads. I do however go to websites, especially hotels, restaurants, and real estate sites where the developer has chosen to use Flash. I don't want to compromise because "I'm using a Mobile OS." I expect my mobile OS to provide me with the convenience of being able to view any website while on the go. I won't tolerate missing content on my Desktop, so why tolerate it on my Phone?
Aug 8th 2010 5:56PM @Nishanth I'm responding to comments like "it's all ads" and other such comments by Desktop users that view Flash enabled content all the time. The point is, it's part of the web browsing experience like it or not. If you're okay with not viewing the full content when a website's developer chooses to use Flash, simply because you're on a mobile device, why do you choose to drop that stance when you're on a computer? Why did you draw that conclusion when your other behavior doesn't take that viewpoint into account.
Aug 8th 2010 5:45PM And if Flash is all ads, why don't you install a browser on your iPhone that has support for ad-blocking. (Wait for it...)
Aug 8th 2010 5:42PM Any iPhone user that truly "doesn't need" Flash should follow through and get rid of it on their PC/Mac. Otherwise you don't have the right to complain. End of story.
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