Adobe wants Flash on the iPad, but Apple customers don't

Flash has its ups and downs. I wonder if those people care about Hulu?

wow

OK, then implement FlashBlock so users have to tap the flash object to load it, and put it in a sandbox/separate process like Chrome so it won't affect anything else (only RAM & CPU; no crashing). Problem solved!

Yes, Flash sucks. Yes, HTML5 is better and is slowly replacing Flash. But I'm willing to bet most users don't care about HTML5; they just want to play games and watch videos, and they don't want to wait for HTML5. Most of those comments are from fanboys who do everything in their power to defend their precious Apple.

An extra step for loading each flash object, even with more CPU & RAM usage and the occasional hiccup >>>>> no Flash at all. The key is that it's at the user's discretion, so there's no complaining of flash ads, etc.

Wow.. The absence of Flash on the ipod touch, the iphone has been one of the biggest complaints by users. Apple has not said "too bad", in fact it has on many occasions said that it was in discussions to make sure this technology would become available to those devices.
To presume first, that the iPad will be a big hit, then to say it will be such a big hit that it will render a technology obsolete simply by not supporting it is in the realm of fantasy. There is very realistic debate as to whether the iPad will ever be anything more than a novelty, let alone such a demanded tool that people will not be interested in anything that it doesnt work with.
The iPod touch is, essentially, what the iPad is, with some minor software differences (yes adding a reader and a scaled down iwork suite is minor), and the size difference. Flash support is the number one change request. It has been since the original iPhone was released

It bothers me a lot when people (consumers AND bloggers) say they don'T want Flash because it performs too bad and slows down their Macs and all that shit. It's true, but you have Apple to thank there. They've never helped Adobe giving them the chance to make a better product. Flash on the Mac is as good as it can be. And I'd say Apple even wants it to be buggy and poor-performing to foster that discomfort among users and justify their deeds.
They'd be much happier with an H.264 through QuickTime future, so they only allow quicktime access to the video hardware to decode video, and Flash has to do it on a much higher level and using only the CPU. And Apple are happy not providing an open API.

And they try to hinder the development of a good product from Adobe for their platform(s) in pretty much every way they can. It's a matter of politics and economic interests on Apple's side.

And we should understand that and stop blaming it on Adobe and their products... saying I don't want Flash because it's buggy and slows down my Mac is misleading. I say, I don't want a Mac and I don't want to be put inside their walled garden and be brainwashed into believing they are the cool and smart ones and the "others" (Microsoft, Adobe, the OpenSource community, whoever) are the assholes.

I understand that Flash it's not needed most of the times and video should play without resorting to plugins (nor H.264, unless it were license-free), and Flash banners are a PITA, but I prefer to block them (using NoScript on FFox) than to not have the chance to even install the plugin.

Therefore I'm glad and proud not to own ANY Apple products. I run Windows and Mint Linux, use a Creative PMP, have a phone running Symbian, etc. I don't care about the OpenSource philosophy or anything like that, but I profoundly dislike being prisoner of a company and their much-hyped overpriced underperforming products.

Here's the deal. If Hulu and a few other big players switch their sites over to HTML 5, were talking about the last nail in the coffin. I'm already sick of Hulu not being integrated on my iPhone... Hulu gets pressure and money to keep using Adobe FROM Adobe, but as users start to go elsewhere, Hulu will jump ship its only a matter of time now.

You make an odd generalization, that Apple customer's don't want flash. I would consider myself fairly in "the know" as are probably most readers of websites like this, as far as Tech/Gadgets. All I read are how iPhone/iPod users want flash on their devices. To group users of Apple's Desktop and Laptop OS with the users of the iPhone/iPod and say they all don't want flash is total trash.

This is like saying, the PS3 doesn't have backwards compatibility because it didn't work well on the PS2 and because Sony owners don't want to play their old games. Which is total BS, if you don't have backwards compatibility more people will upgrade to the PS3.

Just like not allowing flash for users to play flash games enables more people to buy App Store games.

Nintendo allowed Flash and people made games that were compatible and with the Wii even if you didn't use a keyboard and mouse.

This is purely a business choice on apples behalf, and a lame article by Download squad.

Oh noes the sheeple don't have flash, boo hoo. The 92% of us that use PCs and the lucky majority that don't have to suffer with AT&T and their decrepit service are just fine using the multitude of other devices that work better, do more, support flash and even multitask. For the unfortunate few, have fun with your big brother controlled hardware/software and I'll see you while I'm listening to music, surfing the web, chatting all at the same time with MY choice of software.

If Flash worked on the iphone or the ipad.. the revenue model of "you can only add new functionality by using our store" would be gone. In fact a huge number of iphone apps are already available as free flash games, etc. You can use them on other platforms already.
Supporting Flash impedes Apple's ability to make $$ Period.. there is no other reason, and most everyone reading this thread knows that.
And we all know that if this were Microsoft, people would be screaming that they aren't playing 'fair'

Of course they dont want flash. they had a few bad experiences and now think its all crap.

1. The new flash beta doesnt suck up the CPU like it used to. So they will hate flash even if the main reason they hated it is fixed.

2. A lot of people are running old hardware and bitch. Some intel CPU that cant even do 64 bit and people even run OLD G4, G5 iMacs from 2003-2005 and expect their Outdated and replaced system to be smooth while doing so.

3. Somehow they are convinced flash will suck on the iPad. Ipad has nothing to do with the mac so if were to be released. IT WOULD BE OPTIMIZED AND WRITTEN FOR IT SO IT WOULDNT KILL THE BATTERY AND WOULDNT BE SLOW. (Yeah thats yellin). Same for iphone, flash WANTS to create flash for a small slow mobile device that would handle flash fantasticly but they dont want it because of it being a threat to itunes, and the app store.

Oh well let Apple users enjoy their HTML5 thats gonna take longer to overtake flash than for global warming to happen.

fact is flash runs PERFECTLY on PCs (Windows) and Windows is 90% market share. Flash aint going anywhere soon. Unless apple has a 90% share. (Yeah like thats ever going to happen). Plus GPU acceleration in new flash beta.

The point is that "the best" web experience is one that allows the user to make CHOICES. So, without flash video, you cannot go around promoting the iFrame as something that gives its users the best web experience.

This is just like Job's comment about people not reading books. Then when the iPad suddenly comes out, being able to read books on it is a great new feature...but people don't read for more than 10 hours he says. In a year, he'll be introducing this great new feature on the iPad....FLASH....and act as if Apple invented it and no other device has it.

Flash doesn't suck... the way people use it sucks. It was a good idea that was turned into the annoying little barking dog of the internet by lazy and stupid web designers. Any flash that plays automatically when you load a website is simply wrong. No other way to state it. If the user isn't controlling it then it's a nuisance.