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(Unverified)Jan 3rd 2008 2:53PM
Hey,
I got an idea... let's blow something completely out of proportion. Yes, your data can be retrieved quite easily with the Facebook APIs (see FriendsCSV application). In fact, I could write an application that will allow you to export all of your friends data, yes all of it (excluding e-mail -- if you don't already have that are you really their friend, really?) into any format you wish; Outlook, Excel, iCal, Google Cal, JSON, XML, etc.
The doors are there, just because you don't know how to find the knobs doesn't mean the door doesn't open.
(Unverified)Jan 3rd 2008 3:15PM
That's the problem though.. why can't I have their email addresses? I can understand why you wouldn't want just any Facebook application to have access to that data. But, on the other hand, do you want _every_ _single_ FB app not to have access to that data? Currently, there is no certification process, exception mechanism or path to grab that data with consent.
Beyond that, Facebook actually said in its email that Scoble's use might be breaking "Federal or State laws". Really? Now you're a criminal if you want to use a program to read data you can read with your own eyeballs? What if I'm blind? Am I doomed to a life of crime? It's hyperbolic, yes.. but it's worth asking.
(Unverified)Jan 3rd 2008 4:33PM
Maybe it's not about whether YOU want to access YOUR information. Maybe I don't want just any application to have access to my e-mail address. In fact, maybe I don't want all of my Facebook friends to have my e-mail address. It's all about privacy, and when you start handing out your personal information there needs to be some type of throttle as to have far that information gets.
What if Company A purchased a Facebook account with 50,000 friends, and created an application to search those 50,000 where it returned the e-mail addresses of those who have "Apple" in their interests. Now Facebook has become nothing more than a marketing goldmine for spammers. That is exactly what Facebook is trying to avoid. It is a social network -- nothing more. Can you really blame them for trying to stay true to their model?
Look, instead of jumping on the "Facebook will never be open" bandwagon, why don't you wait and see what Facebook does in the future? Or is it easy to write about something that is almost destined to git the front page of Digg, right or wrong, and increase page views?
(Unverified)Jan 3rd 2008 6:28PM
A few points Ryan:
1. There are no Facebook accounts with 50,000 friends. Facebook accounts are capped at 5000 friends.
2. Facebook already is a marketing goldmine for those who are willing to pay. It's called a business development deal. Didn't you read about Beacon?
3. Your email address is _already_ available to your friends. It's obfuscated as an image, but it's there.
4. I wrote an opinion piece. You obviously think I'm wrong, and that's great. Open discussion is awesome, and it's what blogging is all about. However, it's pretty low to insinuate that I wrote this piece to target Digg's front page. I wrote my opinion, the digg community felt it interesting, and dugg it enough to make the front page. Plain and simple. Should I, in the future, avoid taking any side on any controversial topic, so as to avoid the appearance that I'm only writing to increase pageviews?
Thanks for reading, and for jumping in the discussion. Frankly, it'd be nice if you're right, I just don't see it happening for the reasons I laid out in the article above.
1. Zuckerberg is not a leader, he follows.
2. There is no incentive for Facebook to be open. Period.
3. Facebook is not, nor save for the brief moment subsequent to the release of Facebook apps have they ever been, a true leader in the space. They will not take a risk, no matter how calculated. I think this is ultimately going to lead to their downfall.
(Unverified)Jan 3rd 2008 7:42PM
1. I am very aware of this, and this just further supports my point that Facebook is a social network, not your personal Rolodex.
2. And it's already a goldmine for people who don't pay, all you need is an application with a lot of friends. Imagine the FQL queries that could be ran on a userbase of +1,000,000.
The only thing "walled" are means of outside communication (IM screenname, phone, e-mail, address).
3. Right, so why would I want to allow some 3rd party application to have it when my friends already do?
4. You're right, I apologize for the assumption.
1. Zuckerberg is not a leader, he follows.
--Creating the first social network for college students and being the first to create a application platform that allows developers to monetize within the social network is not leading? Hmmph, crazy.
2. There is no incentive for Facebook to be open. Period.
--Sure there is, if Facebook becomes a "2nd" home while online, then I would want it open just as much as I have everything open on my OS. But, because it is completely online, privacy MUST come first. Will Facebook gradually create new windows in the "wall" - yes, does Facebook listen to the users - yes.
3. Facebook is not, nor save for the brief moment subsequent to the release of Facebook apps have they ever been, a true leader in the space. They will not take a risk, no matter how calculated. I think this is ultimately going to lead to their downfall.
--What do you call Beacon, News feed, opening to the public (pissed a lot of college people off), and Pages? I call them all risks...