Allchin says Vista won't need antivirus

Oh, secure like the Xbox360... right?

"It's hard for a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it."

:D

Like I believe that with Microsoft's track record for buggy software!

OS X is definitely more secure than Vista. I'd never trust a 7-year-old with a Microsoft product.

I believe that anti-virus programs aren't a necessity anyway. I roll without one. And that's just because I'm comfortable with the risk of roaming around - but I'm also smart enough not to install untrusted software and I know how to repair any attacks I do run into.

I find it a little odd and irking that Symantec and the other anti-virus companies have hijacked our minds and made us fear everything that's out there. And how effectively it works ... people pay every year for coverage, when they have relatively little to protect. Backup your documents on a second hard drive, and be prepared to reinstall Windows in the very worst case. That would save you 50 to 100 bucks every year.

(that said - major corporations such as banks and insurance companies have to pay for top-notch protection, but the average person doesn't need his photo albums covered.)

That's hilarious... really

Ummmmm, most secure system available? I don't think so! Mac OS X is more secure then Windows could ever dream of being! I know, I use both.

I too have never installed an anti-virus or spyware tool. If you know the risks and can manage them, then you don't need these tools.

Defender will help.

But folks:

NO OS IS EVER COMPLETELY SAFE.

Not Windows, not Mac, not Linux. (Linux is my personal fave.)

While using anti-virus on a Mac or Linux setup may be excessive, you should always keep your data safeguarded.

Ha, if you think about it the concept here is SO trivial. OF COURSE the OS is safe if you lock it down so your kid can only go to a few select sites and download virtually nothing. I bet it is safe as hell in the hands of a 7 year old when he can't access anything.

That is, until he finds out daddy's password.

It never takes more than 2 weeks at the absolute most to get a family members/friends password to anything. I know, I was a kid once.

It's funny how much he had to dance and limit comments on it's safety even when full parental controls are on. Makes me feel real "comfortable" too. ;-)

Ha! Not. I will always have my antispyware programs, I will never be that trusting. I hope many aren't.

For those people who do not have the knowledge to put right the harm done when attacked security software is a must.

There are enough completely free options that cost is not an issue.

Try these for starters.

http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

Yes, and the Titanic was unsinkable, too!

i think a big reason why OS X doesn't get many viruses is
a.) you can't wreak mass havoc when not as many people use macs
and
b.)virus writers probably feel that owning a mac is punishment enough

Bill Gates is a fascist sofware squid and extortionist that hogs or buys out every small time software genius and charges you an abusive amount of money to support his own domination. Vista is now packed with restrictions! it has a multitude of anti pyracy mesures for mp3 and movies that will block your every move, you cant even install it on more than one computer! You have an obligatory online registration and activation form to fill as long as a marriage contract, plus Bill even charges you license fees for running 4 cpus in parralel! the guy is a communist fanatic and extortionist who plots and pays other software companies and vice versa to create incompatibilities and lack of support for other OS and software products to force you into using microsoft software and even force people out of paralel computing! Microsoft has been to court many times for this abusive domination in the sofware world.
Bill Gates is a live one people!! my advice is dont be an assclown! dont feed the rich!

Is it just me, or did oz's post reek of gay?

If I may be permitted to wax political here for a moment, I find it pretty rich to see #13 rant on about communists, then bash "the rich" in the same breath. Guess what, "the rich" are those who figure out how the CAPITALIST system works and milk it -- you get rich being either a *good capitalist* or a *bad communist*. This kid is an excellent representative of the caliber of the average MS-basher.

That said, I think: a.) the skeptics have a point -- every designer thinks their product is good because if they could think of a way to compromise it themselves, they'd fix the problem; b.) MS has a point, in that each new version (starting with 2000) makes it easier to created captive-user accounts (which is what almost everybody should be using most of the time anyway), which should really help MS's virus problem; c.) MS *should* be rolling an XP-embedded build to sell (maybe teamed up with eMachines or some other ultra-low-end manufacturer) that boots from read-only media (CD or a write-protected SD-type flash card), can't run code from its hard drive (data/media storage only, sort of doable if everything runs in a .NET sandbox), and has IE, Office Lite (Word and Excel only), and Media Player ONLY installed, and maybe a way to update the OS by burning a new CD from a digitally-signed ISO or something. Give it a Media Center interface, if you like. Make it what WebTV should have been, and can be now that so many people have HDTV. They have everything they need already developed in-house, they just have to market it. It would be unbreakable -- any virus could only last until reboot. My parents and the other several million people who just want a web browser that opens Word documents would eat that kind of thing up with a spoon.

I thought Bill Gates stepped down as chair of microsoft?
He is no longer running it right?

This guy is an idiot!!!